{"generated_at":"2026-11-12T18:49:21.162Z","source":{"name":"Hacker News public API","url":"https://github.com/HackerNews/API","attribution":"Stories and comments are public Hacker News submissions by their respective authors. HackerHub is an independent reader, not affiliated with Y Combinator.","content_is_untrusted":true},"story_id":50443716,"hn_url":"https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50443716","total_comments":217,"returned":20,"scope":"Up to the requested number of top-level comments in Hacker News ranked order. Deleted comments are omitted. Nested replies are not fetched; this is not the complete thread.","comments":[{"id":50445484,"author":"gosen","created_at":"2026-11-10T19:58:27.000Z","text":"When Anthropic released \"claude design\" people were telling that figma is dead now, but in fact claude design didn't move forward and stayed as a \"fallback tool\" when you quickly need to check / edit something. And for the serious work you still go to Figma and other designer tools. \nI have a feeling that Whiteboards, Sheets, Docs and so on will be the same - it's a nicer way to present artefacts, discuss them and maybe make notes, but for the proper editor experience you'll go to the tools which were designed for these things. And I'm not saying that Claude Something tools are bad, they're just overly simplified and limited, probably on purpose.","parent_id":50443716,"replies_count":25,"hn_url":"https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50445484"},{"id":50445108,"author":"option_greek","created_at":"2026-11-10T19:31:38.000Z","text":"Model companies are starting to cannibalize their api customers's business cases. Shows that the regular avenues of revenue growth are slowing down","parent_id":50443716,"replies_count":5,"hn_url":"https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50445108"},{"id":50445883,"author":"bertt","created_at":"2026-11-10T20:31:04.000Z","text":"> Working with Claude on a project often meant moving the output over to another tool or program, where Claude didn’t have live access to follow progress and changes. Now, your documents, boards, sheets, and dashboards can stay in Claude, with access for your team to continue editing together.\nI read this as: We'll build anything and everything into Claude eventually.\nHow does this work long-term? Is the new reality going to be picking an AI provider for all of your SaSS tooling, similar to Cloud providers for infra? Hopefully competition thrives.","parent_id":50443716,"replies_count":10,"hn_url":"https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50445883"},{"id":50447184,"author":"FailMore","created_at":"2026-11-10T22:27:54.000Z","text":"I have a different approach to the industry when it comes to work documents.\nI'm building https://smalldocs.org / https://github.com/espressoplease/smalldocs. My take is that the siloed approach of previous document formats is now redundant. The document formats were isolated because we needed heavy tools for humans to do the work. Now we need lightweight javascript predominately for rending as agents do the work, so document formats can be blended.\nThis means SmallDocs allows an agent to put together a document (the underlying format is markdown with rich custom rendering on top) with text, diagrams, a multi tab spreadsheet, charts, code, slides, etc.\nSome example SmallDocs:\n* AlphaFold 3: capabilities, evidence and operational limits (diagram, spreadsheets, charts, code, math): https://smalldocs.org/s/k9BtoviHg1eMsWzrSDBVZM#k=v0oIAbORXDj...\n* Profitable growth can run out of cash (slides, spreadsheet, charts): https://smalldocs.org/s/nfCr0EEduLQwZAr0_v9ZR2#k=tv_BjigEYwt...","parent_id":50443716,"replies_count":3,"hn_url":"https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50447184"},{"id":50453038,"author":"Kuyawa","created_at":"2026-11-11T13:15:26.000Z","text":"If you can have any app at the snap of your fingers, you will have them all\nI really don't understand why people can't see the future, in ten years the speed at which AI will create apps will be astonishing. Any app, ask and get it done instantly. So if one provider (your AI provider) has them all why would you go around looking for the same thing if you already have them in one place?\nI use DeepSeek because Claude never allowed me to play with it (living in Venezuela), but I know people that started with Claude just use it everyday and by inertia they won't switch, no reason at all. Just ask Claude for anything and it will deliver. Same for any AI. Retention is the key word, tools, apps, services, plugins, libraries, all in one place, everything.\nAI is the new OS, the new browser, the new marketplace","parent_id":50443716,"replies_count":6,"hn_url":"https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50453038"},{"id":50450993,"author":"ddaletski","created_at":"2026-11-11T08:32:11.000Z","text":"There is a big problem with how we work with ai-generated artifacts, but I don't think creating another google-docs-like suite is the answer.\nLLMs are very good at working with Markdown, and are way worse with xml-based rich documents. The problem is, we have established collaborative rich docs, but no collaborative markdown-based docs. \nFor example at google, all your system design docs will end up being written in google docs, because it can be easily shared with granular access, people can leave comments, it's well integrated with other google products. But once your doc is in that complicated format, there's no way to iterate on that with an agent: it's gonna inevitably destroy your formating, overwrite some of your edited content, and you can't even have a nice line by line diff like you'd have when you work with a simple text format like md.\nBuilding a nice collaborative markdown editor to the level where it competes with gdoc in popularity, at least in software engineering circle, would be the answer.\nSame with sheets. Some stripped version, which is as close as just \"csv editor with some better visuals\" would be much more ai-friendly","parent_id":50443716,"replies_count":3,"hn_url":"https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50450993"},{"id":50446081,"author":"mmcconnell1618","created_at":"2026-11-10T20:45:02.000Z","text":"Apple created IWork: Pages, Numbers, Keynote. Google created Workspaces with Docs, Sheets, Slides. Open source options like LibreOffice and OpenOffice exist. Google is the only one that has managed to take any significant market share from Microsoft. I don't think Anthropic has the focus to follow it through.","parent_id":50443716,"replies_count":1,"hn_url":"https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50446081"},{"id":50454063,"author":"qwerty_clicks","created_at":"2026-11-11T14:43:47.000Z","text":"Although Claude could build your anything-app or host your design, Anthropic must solve some trust problems. Ppl still use alternative software because running a business or permanently hosting your backlog on an artifact that someone one-shot prompt build in 20 mins is scary. Do you trust that this artifact link will be stable and reliable for an IRS audit or could a disgruntled employee edit it to hurt the company? What was in their claude.md when they built it?","parent_id":50443716,"replies_count":0,"hn_url":"https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50454063"},{"id":50450502,"author":"AntonJidkov","created_at":"2026-11-11T07:05:03.000Z","text":"Smart move for Anthropic. They've embedded into businesses and are now aiming at being the Google Workspace equivalent.\nNext step, domains and email?\nAlso this differs from Claude design imo - which was too token heavy and not easy enough for a human to manipulate without prompting.\nHere, the human and agent user have a similar level of control.","parent_id":50443716,"replies_count":0,"hn_url":"https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50450502"},{"id":50450555,"author":"tormeh","created_at":"2026-11-11T07:14:21.000Z","text":"I guess this is what's supposed to be their moat: Owning your data. Not a bad idea. Yes, you could prompt these tools into being yourself, but once all of the org's data lives in Claude because \"we already pay for the license\" it'll be hard to switch model provider.","parent_id":50443716,"replies_count":1,"hn_url":"https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50450555"},{"id":50446920,"author":"1broseidon","created_at":"2026-11-10T22:03:02.000Z","text":"I don't know, I feel like it's nice to have most of these things built into claude desktop as a quick way for Claude to mock up or show me what the data looks like but ultimately want to use my specialized app for the work anyway. If anything, its the ultimate combination - show me the work quickly here first, then port it to the final state inside Excel, Powerpoing, Figma, whatever.","parent_id":50443716,"replies_count":1,"hn_url":"https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50446920"},{"id":50448443,"author":"sakesun","created_at":"2026-11-11T00:50:33.000Z","text":"A challenger doesn't necessarily win by doing the incumbent's job better. It wins by making the incumbent's job irrelevant.","parent_id":50443716,"replies_count":1,"hn_url":"https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50448443"},{"id":50445661,"author":"paxy","created_at":"2026-11-10T20:12:12.000Z","text":"I don’t understand the need for these side quests. Microsoft has a 40 year lead in spreadsheets. You are not going to dethrone them no matter how good your AI’s code is. And no one is asking you for an excel competitor. Fixing the million problems in existing products that users have already raised (aka the boring work) is a much better use of resources.","parent_id":50443716,"replies_count":8,"hn_url":"https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50445661"},{"id":50447206,"author":"etoxin","created_at":"2026-11-10T22:29:29.000Z","text":"These products have already failed.\nAs a traditional company, if I had invested with a large team to build out these three tools. I wouldn't launch it with a short blog post. It shows how serious they are at maintaining them. People forget there are entire teams/companies supporting SaaS products. Not just the engineers that built them.","parent_id":50443716,"replies_count":0,"hn_url":"https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50447206"},{"id":50449272,"author":"2001zhaozhao","created_at":"2026-11-11T02:56:36.000Z","text":"The interesting part is that anyone can create these productivity apps now; all that Anthropic has that others don't is the model moat. Namely, people can access models cheaper in Claude.ai compared to paying API prices for other people's tools, and Anthropic's tools come bundled with the discounted model access itself.\nIn other words they're able to create an entire ecosystem around this cost advantage and there's very little others (without their own models with higher cost-performance than public ones) can do about it.","parent_id":50443716,"replies_count":0,"hn_url":"https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50449272"},{"id":50448862,"author":"darkmatriarch","created_at":"2026-11-11T01:46:52.000Z","text":"Every time I see an LLM company release tools to compete with existing tool suites it feels like they're just proving we can all now build these quickly ourselves. At least a software engineer could.\nBuild vs buy keeps getting pushed further to build, which is great for people in general but it feels like Anthropic is digging its own grave proving the only value it can provide is the model itself, and from what it looks like that's still scaling linearly and unprofitably.","parent_id":50443716,"replies_count":1,"hn_url":"https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50448862"},{"id":50459167,"author":"ragdollk","created_at":"2026-11-11T21:48:54.000Z","text":"Disclosure: self-promotion.\nOne of the lesser product releases as part of this announcement was Claude Meetings. If what you want from this launch is meetings turning into work for your agent without being tied to one vendor, we've just released bwat. It's a Zoom bot and app, writes each commitment as a card with the sentence it came from, and one button sends a todo into one of your sessions. It's free.\ngithub.com/qoralai/bwat","parent_id":50443716,"replies_count":0,"hn_url":"https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50459167"},{"id":50445085,"author":"htrp","created_at":"2026-11-10T19:29:42.000Z","text":"> When you’re done brainstorming, Claude can turn the board into a doc or deck, or bring it into tools like Lucid, Miro, or Vani by Zoho, where you can continue working on it with your team.\neither fully commit to disrupting your customers and keep a walled garden or stop building in the space, this incremental approach will only ship confusion","parent_id":50443716,"replies_count":1,"hn_url":"https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50445085"},{"id":50449137,"author":"kimseungyong","created_at":"2026-11-11T02:34:52.000Z","text":"I use artifacts extensively in my work. I use spreadsheets only occasionally at work. Even when using them, the focus was on sharing information through tables rather than complex functions. That was already half a year ago. These days, it's more common to just create them as artifacts and share them.\nNow that the spreadsheet is in the artifact, it should be easy to find the Claude artifact’s spreadsheet whenever you need it. I don't think it will expand to Google or MS Spreadsheets.\nWe must consider that if tools with these basic features continue to be created, people will gradually start using them, eventually leading to a dependency on specific tools.\nThat ecosystem is expected to grow substantially.","parent_id":50443716,"replies_count":1,"hn_url":"https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50449137"},{"id":50445824,"author":"yodon","created_at":"2026-11-10T20:26:16.000Z","text":"Claude data is a huge move, much bigger than the other two (even if they end up with more users).\nAll Anthropic needs is to host an S3 clone and they become the default place to put all your company's data because they are the easiest place to analyze the data.","parent_id":50443716,"replies_count":3,"hn_url":"https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50445824"}]}